000048 05-patent-trolls_wmp_a_16.wma 000000 ERIK SCHMIDT: I'm actually surprised that only one of the patents in the top ten list appears to be held by an IP holding company. 000005 That's the one (inaudible). 000008 JASON SCHULTZ: Actually, Acacia also. 000009 ERIK SCHMIDT: Oh, are they also? 000011 So it's two out of the 10, is there a reason you haven't gone more aggressively after IP holding companies? 000017 JASON SCHULTZ: Again, the selection of the ten was primarily based on submissions we got and then the actual situations. 000023 Several of the IP holding companies, or patent trolls as they're often called, target big players like Microsoft or Cisco or IBM or whoever. 000033 And they can afford to defend themselves. 000036 So those actors can be very dangerous, but this project focuses on the folks who don't have the resources to hire lawyers to defend themselves against them.